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  • 17.5mm projector spares/restoration

    This is a response to Jacques Bren's post on the equipment wanted / for sale forum, because it won't let me reply there.

    One possible lead: there was a guy called Grahame Newnham who, until he died in 2020, was certainly the UK's and arguably the world's leading expert on Pathescope stuff. He was also a dealer of 9.5mm equipment and consumables. When I worked in film preservation in England in the late '90s and early '00s, he was the go to for 9.5mm leader, cores, etc. etc. Although his main collecting focus was 9.5mm, there is a significant amount of 17.5mm content on his website, too.

    It appears that his collection was acquired by the University of Southern California after he passed, and that (looking at the front page of his website) there is also still an active 9.5mm enthusiasts' group that is holding a festival later this year. Therefore, I'm wondering if it would be worth it for Jacques to go through the website to see if it might offer any leads for 17.5mm collectors and enthusiasts who might be sitting on spares.

    Once specific challenge related to 17.5mm is that in the early days of the Nazi occupation of France, resistance groups distributed propaganda films on this format, because it had never been marketed in Germany, and so offered an opportunity to escape censorship, However, once the Nazis discovered this, they made a systematic attempt to seize all the 17.5mm cameras, projectors, etc. in existence, with the result that most of the equipment manufactured was destroyed during the war.

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    Here is an interesting video about restoring a Pathe 9.5mm projector. I can see that these would have been handy during the war...
     

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      The attraction of 9.5mm is that the film was much cheaper than 16mm, but the size of the frame was over double the size of Regular 8 and almost as big as 16. Its major (technical) drawback is that even the slightest damage to the center perforations would be visible in projection.

      IIRC, 17.5mm was essentially 35mm slit down the middle and with extra perforations.

      France was the epicenter of both formats, with 9.5mm gaining a significant share of the amateur cinematography market in other European countries. It never gained any significant traction here.

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        Thank you for opening this thread in response to my wanted post, Leo. I know of Grahame Newnham's site and it's such a shame he's not around as I just know he'd have been a great help with many contacts in the Pathe collectors world. I have exhausted most leads for anybody collecting 17.5 but the few people I have found don't have any spares sadly, this is why I've begun to search on forums to see if anybody has any potential leads to collectors who may have equipment and spares laying around. The French built Pathe Natan is virtually identical to the UK built Pathescope Home Talkie but I'm struggling to find any French collectors who may be able to help source spares, I can imagine Natan/Talke parts are more likely to be in better supply in France than here in England - though still scarce.

        Luckily 17.5 does survive in some number here in the UK, it did have some success with Pathescope UK offering a film lending library and outright purchase. Whilst it is considered rare I know of a few collections of over 300 reels of 17.5 and rumors of others, it's very much a gauge where any material that appears is promptly snapped up but most serious 17.5 collectors are sitting on quite a bit of materal.

        I have been fortunate in that a close collector friend gave me a few good 17.5 reels, I also have 5 or 6 reels of sprocket damaged 17.5 and we are looking to build a machine to apply repair tape and then reperforate the films as this is common damage on the gauge. I do have a 17.5mm Pathe Rural Sonore which will always be my main 17.5 projector, the Home Talkies once revived will only be given the odd run as they're prone to causing film damage.

        I also collect 9.5mm sound and have a number of Pathe Vox and Son projectors, as well as two 16mm Rural Sonore projectors along with the Rural Natan amplifier which is still in need of restoration.

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