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  • #31
    However, they already mentioned they would be charging for the service. So paying those folks wages isn't an issue.

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    • #32
      Video editing isn't as much a niche as it used to be. There are a whole lot of people posting videos on YouTube, et. al., and the trend is to produce a more polished product, compared to the stereotypical cat video.

      Using computers for full scale production for TV shows and movies isn't as common but there are many more small-timers making videos than ever before.

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      • #33
        Most of the films and TV shows I worked on used stand alone systems that are based on Linux. I never knew of any high budget films that were edited on any Windblows based systems...

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        • #34
          An argument can be made that a computer program/operating system with a security issue was a defective product when it was originally sold.

          Vehicle manufacturers are required to provide free parts and service for safety defects in their products even when the vehicles in question are long past warranty.

          Maybe Microsoft should be held to the same standard?

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          • #35
            That's why MS does free updates snd patches for many years after one purchases one of their OS's.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mark Gulbrandsen View Post
              However, they already mentioned they would be charging for the service. So paying those folks wages isn't an issue.
              They did the same with XP and 7 I think - they cannot say otherwise now or people would not update. But I'm convinced the support will be extended a few years. Again, they cannot afford to have 60% of users on an unprotected OS, those systems would end up being a big nest of malware!

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              • #37
                they cannot afford to have 60% of users on an unprotected OS, those systems would end up being a big nest of malware!
                Uhhh.. based on the spam that I see here, isn't it that already?

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                • #38
                  Marco, I remember 7 was supported after 8 came out for quite some time. But 8 didn't seem to get much post support once it was cancelled. 8 was never very popular, perhaps because of the lengthy post W-7 support time. I never ran 8 anywhere, but a few customers that had bought new office computers or laptops had it.

                  Frank, I use Untangle firewall running on a seperate PC. Have used it for years and have had zero infections or problems. I love all the reports it gives. If anyone tries to hack your system you'll know all the details. But my phone is another story... have tried many different apps, pretty much to no avail. Every time a new firewall app comes out, someone figures ouy a way around it.
                  Last edited by Mark Gulbrandsen; 02-16-2025, 05:15 PM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Frank Cox View Post

                    Uhhh.. based on the spam that I see here, isn't it that already?
                    If 60% of PC suddenly became unprotected and unsupported, that spam would be nothing.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Frank Cox
                      Vehicle manufacturers are required to provide free parts and service for safety defects in their products even when the vehicles in question are long past warranty.
                      Actually there is a cutoff. My first car after moving to California was a 1999 Civic. One day, the engine suddenly cut out and the car completely died. Very thankfully, this was at 15mph a few yards from my home, not 65 on the freeway! Some Googling established the cause to be a design defect in the ignition key switch assembly, which had been the subject of a recall in 2001. When I went to the local Honda dealership (this was in 2013), they told me that dealerships are only required to do recall repairs free of charge for five years after the recall is issued, and that they couldn't help me anyways, because the part was no longer available.

                      I found a "new, old stock" one on Ebay, installed it myself, and the car worked happily until it was stolen a couple of years later.

                      I think the issue with Microsoft is, as opined above, they're trying to transition from a business model whereby their software is a one-time, pricey purchase, which is expected to last indefinitely, to one whereby each version or variant has a defined and finite service life. Adobe and Apple have done it, so why can't they? The specific problem with Windows 11 is the hardware requirements. If any PC that could run 10 could also run 11 (which was effectively the case for the 7 to 10 transition, and most those that couldn't could be easily upgraded), then even if Microsoft wanted to charge a few tens of bucks for the upgrade, it would be relatively uncontroversial. The big, specific problem is that Trusted Platform Module requirement.

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                      • #41
                        Yeah, and to be clear, when we are talking about Win10 support window ending, it's just for non-paying consumer installs. They have and will no doubt offer an extended support window for businesses who opt to pay a support fee as they have done with previous versions (XP in particular is one they supported for longer in a non-free context).

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                        • #42
                          I still have Win 10 Pro running on my Alienware notebook at home. Within the next couple or so weeks I'm probably going to finally allow the Win 11 upgrade to go through.

                          I have Win 11 Pro on my office desktop computer. There are certain little things I dislike about Win 11 versus Win 10, such as having to click through more flyout menu options for certain tasks in Windows File Explorer. Win 10 has more stuff visible in the main flyout menu. Microsoft's developers have this nasty habit of making things too damned complicated. I guess they think it adds to a more positive user experience by making them click through more windows and menus.

                          Many of the people still using Win 10 will be forced to adopt Win 11 just from the security liabilities once patches are no longer made for Win 10. If that doesn't force the switch then current software releases will make it happen. Adobe's Creative Cloud applications all run just fine on Win 10 Pro. But I figure it is only a matter of time before Adobe pulls support.​

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                          • #43
                            I work for a PC Reburbisher. JSM Computers (no store front; online sales only) in Del City, OK. They only sell Dell Optiplex machines offering XP, Windows 7, 10, & 11 machines. All PC's are flashed to latest BIOS and we use Eurosoft PC Check Diagnostic software before deploying the OS image. JSMComputers dot com, Amazon Store front, Newegg, Walmart, & eBay.

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