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    How many F-T'ers were at CinemaCon this year and what were your reactions to it?

    1. I was very glad to actually see some open discussion and encouragement of longer windows. 45 days seems to be the goal, with some studios even on board -- although I think that's still too short and I wish they had shot for something more like 60 to 75 days. They also said that studies have shown that most people believe that movies will be available on home video within 30 days of their theatrical release, which erodes theatrical moviegoing. They seem to think that if they all can agree on a 45-day window and promote that fact, everyone will hurry back to the theaters for the 45 days. I don’t think that’s long enough to keep people from still thinking everything’ll be out in a month. However, if the studios (and theaters) would keep marketing the theatrical release after opening day, and Amazon etc. didn’t start trumpeting the home release on Day 2, that situation might improve.

    2. We didn't get to the whole trade show. The one thing I hate about Caesars Palace is the goofy multi-floor layout of the tradeshow space. I've been to the convention about 8 times and I still get lost easily in the ballroom areas, what with all the escalators, elevators, hallways, and stairways. And restrooms are almost always a long hike away. I suppose the whole thing is caused by them combining several buildings into one. Anyway, we aren't in the market for anything "tech" right now, so we stuck mostly to the concession floor, which was filled with the usual stuff.

    3. Coca Cola makes their hospitality area too user-unfriendly. I'm a soda guy, so I would love to pick one up on the way to meetings, but.... they don't open until 10 AM, and there are often no drinks available in the meetings. Why don't they just forget the hospitality area and just station somebody with a cooler full of drinks at each meeting room or dinner entrance? That'd get more Coke into people's hands and save the convention some money.

    4. The studio presentations were good -- they brought the excitement, the celebs, and the extra cool features (Universal brought a 40-piece orchestra!), but the footage shown was kind of lackluster, I thought, in comparison to previous CinemaCons. This year there was no single movie with longer than 10 minutes of extended/previously unseen footage, and a bigger-than-usual share of the presentations were the same trailers we can watch on our own systems without having audio pneumatic drills jamming into our brains. Plus when it's just trailers, considering all trailers are basically cut from the same template, the result is almost zero memory of what we saw.

    5. As a teenager of the '70s, I was happily surprised to see Cheech and Chong receive an "Achievement in Comedy" award. They seemed genuinely humbled by it ("I think this is the first award we ever got...isn't it?"). You gotta hand it to those guys, they are survivors. Despite the vast majority of their work not being all that great, the stuff that WAS good was really good.

    6. The seminars were good this year. One on "A.I." was pretty interesting. The industry think tank one was really good. There was no seminar this year that featured a Q&A period, which I thought was sad.

    7. Barco's brief demo of their HDR projection was impressive. The 3-D presentations in the Disney show were super. Even with glasses, it was just as bright as a typical analog presentation. Kudos to the projection team.

    8. When "The Naked Gun" trailer was shown, I was like "Thank heavens, finally a comedy!" and it was quite funny. I’m not sure if Liam Neeson is the right choice to take over for Leslie Neilsen, though. He just doesn't have that goofy mug that Neilson had. The writing was pretty funny though. I definitely want to see it, but I worry about it. One of my favorite memories of an early convention I attended was when Leslie Neilsen appeared in an “Airplane” intro clip and said, “I really wish I could be there with all you exhibitionists.”

    9. There are way too many horror movies. I get that it's one format that seems to be kind of home-video-proof, but they’re still only good for one weekend and a quick fade. They're slicing the pie too thin. I’ll bet there were at least 15 horror movies on offer, and that’s just from the majors.

    10. “Seat saving” in the Colosseum has gotten completely out of hand. First, over half of the main floor seats (including most of the ones in the middle, and the entire front section) are already reserved for whatever studio that’s putting on the presentation and other “special” CinemaCon people, whoever they are. The independents, who, by the way, make up the majority of Cinema United members, are shuffled to the seats in the side or balcony sections, which are OK, but you get a distorted view of the image. Then, you have people “saving” mulitiple seats for their “group” who is not there yet and sometimes never does get there. I believe “seat saving” should be completely outlawed, or at least restricted such that you can only save the seat next to you.

    12. I’ve always had a dislike of convention food, and this year was no exception. There was only one “plated” meal this year, and it was a cold lunch. Beyond that, it was all buffets.

  • #2
    nice summary

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    • #3
      It's the busiest I've been at a CinemaCon/Show West in a long time. I had somewhere to be starting around 9:00am on Monday (ICTA summit, which DID have Q&A after each presenter/panel). James Cameron is pushing real hard for 3D and HFR again for the next in the Avatar series coming out this winter time. I kid you not, they don't understand why 3D in the home has also fizzled but they think that one needs the big screen of the theatre to get the most out of 3D and that 3D will make a big resurgence

      So, I want all of you all to line up and put your orders in for new projectors and screens so we can hit 48Nits, minimum on 3D.

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      • #4
        For me it was the quietest Cinemacon I can remember being at, with the possible exception of the one that took place in the middle of covid. On the Wednesday full day trade show, there can't have been more than 20-30 new faces who stopped by the MiT booth. There was also a lot of empty floor space in the "techie" room: again, I've only seen it emptier at the covid Cinemacon.

        The only significantly new product launches I saw were the Barco ICMP-XS and the Meyer active speakers. Given that Dolby and GDC have an audio processor built in their IMSes as an option, I guess it was only a matter of time before Barco followed suit. The UI looked intuitive and well laid out, though of course I didn't get to hear what it could do. The ability to send up to 7.1 USB audio in as an aux option is great, especially as it opens up another option for multi-channel analog in (via an analog to USB interface, obviously). The two SFP+ NICs and 6TB of onboard NVMe M2 as standard is a very welcome development, especially given the trend toward longer movies, higher frame rates, and Cameron trying to bring 3-D back from the grave again (the Avatar DCP will liikely bust half a terabyte in the 3-D HFR version).

        I wanted to make it to the off site Meyer demo, but those 20-30 visitors to our booth all decided to show up at about the time I would have had to leave for it, so I didn't get there. Barco's HDR and Christie's VDR were also there, but they were demonstrated last year as well (albeit not in as refined a form).

        Originally posted by Steve Guttag
        The one thing I hate about Caesars Palace is the goofy multi-floor layout of the tradeshow space. I've been to the convention about 8 times and I still get lost easily in the ballroom areas, what with all the escalators, elevators, hallways, and stairways.
        I was shown an elevator this year that I previously had no idea existed, which goes from almost directly opposite the techie hall to just outside the candy hall, thereby saving around a hundred yards of walking and two long, slow escalators. I suspect that if you know the place really well, you will know several other hacks like that for cutting the distance between any two points. But of course, because I only spend 5-6 days every year there, I don't. The thing that annoys the hell out of me about that place most of all is that for some reason, only one of the four elevators between the main casino floor and the self-park garage is ever working. It's been that way for every Cinemacon I've attended (since 2018). And when you're trying to use it with lots of luggage everyone else hates you, because you're taking up enough space for two or three people. The last day for me is the most tiring: a morning of working the booth, followed by 5-6 hours of tearing it down. Having to wait up to 10 minutes for the elevator just to get out of the place and en route for home after that is a serious irritation.

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        • #5
          <just noting...that quote is from Mike, not me>

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Steve Guttag View Post
            It's the busiest I've been at a CinemaCon/Show West in a long time. I had somewhere to be starting around 9:00am on Monday (ICTA summit, which DID have Q&A after each presenter/panel). James Cameron is pushing real hard for 3D and HFR again for the next in the Avatar series coming out this winter time. I kid you not, they don't understand why 3D in the home has also fizzled but they think that one needs the big screen of the theatre to get the most out of 3D and that 3D will make a big resurgence

            So, I want all of you all to line up and put your orders in for new projectors and screens so we can hit 48Nits, minimum on 3D.
            I've been bugging my boss for months to get the key from IMAX for us to test HFR 3D again. We were in LA a few weeks ago and IMAX seems to be working on software updates to make that a little smoother this time...hopefully

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            • #7
              I kid you not, they don't understand why 3D in the home has also fizzled but they think that one needs the big screen of the theatre to get the most out of 3D and that 3D will make a big resurgence
              It probably will make a big resurgence -- for that movie only, though. After the last Avatar, we had zero requests for future titles in 3-D.

              We didn't want to put in a silver screen, so we decided to get off the 3-D bandwagon when we got our laser projector. Maybe someday there will be a solution that will work with our system, but even then I'd be hesitant to spend the money. I'll be very curious this coming winter to see how many people get mad that we don't have 3-D for the new Avatar.
              Last edited by Mike Blakesley; 04-08-2025, 10:06 AM.

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              • #8
                You can always go the active glasses approach.

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                • #9
                  Too bad it isn't rentable technology!

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                  • #10
                    I did not go..... too expensive.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Leo Enticknap View Post
                      <greatly edited> I was shown an elevator this year that
                      I previously had no idea existed, - - - thereby saving
                      around a hundred yards of walking and two long, slow
                      escalators..
                      When the Digital Cinemapocaplyse hit around 2012/2013 and I suddenly found
                      myself semi unemployed and even banned from several booths overnight, "the
                      union" (IATSE) kept me busy working major trade shows & conventions here in
                      San Francisco, and I even worked a job or two in Vegas when they needed extra
                      help. On one of my first "trade show" jobs here in SF, the job boss sent me to
                      one of the other exhibition halls to pick up some cables or something. When I
                      returned he asked me why it took me so long. And that's when I first started to
                      learn about all the 'secret shortcuts' my more experienced co-workers knew
                      about. I was amazed to learn how many secret staircases, passageways and
                      even underground tunnels that the convention center and even many of the
                      large hotels here in SF had. At one, large, famous SF hotel, there are even
                      'secret panels' in the back of some of the banquet rooms & hallways where
                      you press a hidden button and a sliding wall panel opened up to a passageway,
                      just like in an old Hollywood haunted house mystery movie. Most of those
                      large hotels had several subterranean levels that housed kitchens, laundry
                      facilities, and one or two hotels even had a giant "car wash" type of machine
                      where stacks of used chairs from the banquet & dining rooms were washed
                      after being used. (Although most of the hotels sent them out to be cleaned.
                      Every day a big truck would come and several hundred "stacked and racked"
                      dirty chairs were exchanged for clean ones) The amount of activity down in
                      the bowels of these large hotels & convention centers is really amazing!

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                      • #12
                        Every year I wish for a "behind the scenes tour" of Caesars. It would be extremely interesting. Even at our regional conventions, it's fun to see "backstage" at the convention centers we use.

                        The thing I always marvel at in Caesars is how clean the glass always is. There are giant glass panels virtually anywhere you look -- glass doors, glass panels between the escalators, glass under walkway railings, huge glass windows in the shops, glass countertops....and even with thousands of people passing through, you very rarely see a smudge or a fingerprint on any of them.

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                        • #13
                          And yet, they can't seem to keep the hand grips on the escalators to move at the same rate as the stairs!

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                          • #14
                            I’m pretty thankful I landed a house position when I did. Our Convention Center just closed to be torn down and rebuilt larger. I expect a 5 year project. Even though “theatre” was my principal discipline, working broadways, ballets, operas, etc. In this town, convention work still was 2/3 of my income!

                            If not for the house gig timing, I’d be getting a car and working regionally, changing industries, touring, or moving elsewhere. It is gonna be a real tough spell for my IA bothers and sisters, so shortly after recovering from the pandemic disruption. Most people blew threw any savings trying to stay in the industry during that.

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